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FURRIES ARE PERVERTS by Generalflood FURRIES ARE PERVERTS by Generalflood
NO MORE DENIAL OF THIS FACT
JUSTICE SUPPORTED BY DELICIOUS FACTS
READ ALL IF YOU BOTHER TO COMMENT

(If this ever gets taken down its because furries are trying to erase all evidence yet again by reporting it or something or the deviantart mods are biased against people who have negative opinions of furries and also failed to read the argument. They would probably also try to call it "hateful" even though I harbor no hate for furries, I simply dislike their denial of their own perversions when they are confronted with someone who believes they are perverted and many furries also agree with me on this subject so yeah ok I think that just about covers something important.)



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Seriously though, you have the 10% who actually just enjoy art then the 90% who look at porn all day.

You could try to deny this if it weren't for the fact that the top 100 most popular furries on this list all created porn
^
popufur.com/?page=1
(i think maybe one didn't make porn but I believe it had an alt account for it anyways, and I only bothered to check the top 100 and not all 200 because my eyes started to burn by the end of 100 so theres definitely more porn)

I KNOW YOU DON'T WANT TO BELIEVE.
BUT WHEN YOU UPLOAD THAT CLEAN ART ON FURAFFINITY YOU GET KINDA PISSED THAT PEOPLE ARE ONLY LOOKING FOR THE RED BORDER AROUND IT, AREN'T YOU?
YEAH, THATS A NICE 3 VIEWS YOU GOT THERE, TOO BAD THEM PORN PICS GOT 9000.

and as a side-note, after the banning of cub porn (child pornography but just with furries) on furaffinity some furries apparently even went so far as to send DEATH THREATS to get it back.
en.wikifur.com/wiki/Cub
I found it funny.



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ADDITION - APRIL 11, 2011:
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NOW I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE GOING TO COMMENT ON HOW FURAFFINITY IS LIKE 80% CLEAN ART AND 20% PORN
BUT YOU DON'T BOTHER TO THINK ABOUT WHO THE FUCK IS ACTUALLY LOOKING AT THE CLEAN ART

Really though, over half of the clean art sucks dick so I can kinda understand why the porn has more views, at least it serves a purpose.

Also the top 20 search results on furaffinity search thingy were all about pornography and fetishes so try again later
www.furaffinity.net/journal/69…
You can go ahead and be like "OH MAN THE SMALL AMOUNT OF PERVERTS JUST FUCKED UP THE SEARCHES"
But then you forget that this a fandom based off of animals and yet porn has more searches than the animals.
PORN HAS MORE SEARCHES THAN THE ANIMALS.
NOT EVEN PORN, JUST FETISHES, THE TOP ONE BEING VORE (or second one, I can't tell because dragoneer deleted the journal to cover up the evidence YET AGAIN)

HOW CAN THERE POSSIBLY BE MORE SEARCHES FOR VORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE ANYWAY?



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ADDITION - APRIL 17, 2011: This is unrelated kinda but yeah
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I forgot to add that the number one most popular furry is also a rapist
JUST SAYIN.
Click the following link for full understanding: generalflood.deviantart.com/ar… (deviation removed by administrators)

EXTRA:
Dragoneer does everything he can to defend child molesters: forums.vivisector.org/index.ph…
generalflood.deviantart.com/ar… <--- alt link in case dragoneer tries to cover it up some more (alt link removed by administrators)

So yeah I don't think furries are 'good people' otherwise they wouldn't be supporting bastards like these by buying their art, giving them popularity, and trying to defend them at all times.

WAY TO REPRESENT YO' HOOD.

These are two of the most popular people on furaffinity and both are suck ;(.



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ADDITION - MAY 2, 2011:
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SEEING AS HOW THE PURPOSE OF THIS DEVIATION IS MISINTERPRETED I SHALL STATE IT FOR YOU.

FURRIES CONTINUE TO ARGUE THAT FURRIES ARE NOT PERVERTS, YET THIS IS A TRUE FACT.
THIS DEVIATION IS HERE TO DISPROVE THAT.


THIS DEVIATION IS ALSO HERE FOR A BRAND NEW MESSAGE(S):

STOP SHOWING OFF YOUR FURRY PORN TO PEOPLE WHO DO NOT WANT TO SEE IT, IT'S JUST RUDE AND DISGUSTING.

STOP PRETENDING PEOPLE NEED TO ACCEPT YOU, WE DO NOT.

AND MOST OF ALL (not really), THERE NEEDS TO BE A NEW WAY OF DEFINING FURRIES AS PEOPLE WHO DRAW ANTHRO ARE MANY TIMES MISTAKEN AS FURRIES.
WHY DOES THIS MATTER YOU WONDER?
NO ONE WANTS TO BE RELATED TO THE SAME GROUP THAT VICIOUSLY DEFENDS CHILD PORNOGRAPHY AND IS KNOWN FOR HAVING A BASE OF PERVERTS AS IT'S MAIN COMMUNITY.



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ADDITION - September 4, 2011: Taking a quick note on furries and zoophilia, please understand that this is not the main topic.
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Ok for some reason furries keep bringing up beastiliaty which was actually completely unrelated in the original document, but their guilt for wanting to do it with animals keeps showing up so I may as well address it as much as I don't want to.

So, heres a furry survey with zoophiles or something: www.klisoura.com/ot_furrysurve…
Now I want everyone to understand that it may only be 13% but lets not forget that BESTIALITY IS ILLEGAL.
Who would really admit to something so illegal and humiliating like this, even online?
So really, there are probably A LOT MORE furries out there that are into doing it HARDCORE with animals.

Now I find many furries get crazy on this whole beastility/zoophilia thing, but really when it comes down to it if what you fap to HAS to be an anthro, then you're getting off to the animal parts of the anthro (paws, muzzle, etc.).
Guess what, the animals have those animal parts.
So even if you don't want to flat out do a dog just yet, you're probably a lot more open to the idea than a normal person.

In short: You don't look at animals the same way a normal person does, my eyes don't go straight to the dog's ass once I see it.



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CORRECTION ZONE (work in progress) FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT WANT TO TRY TO BE REAL LITERAL AND SHIT TO TAKE EVERYTHING SAID WORD-FOR-WORD (corrections marked by the asterisk "*" symbol:

CORRECTION #1:

- Seriously though, you have the 10% who actually just enjoy art then the 90% who look at porn all day.

***NOT DIRECT STATISTIC THIS IS ONLY USED TO SHOW THAT THE MAJORITY IS INDEED PERVERTS WHILE MAINTAINING SOME LOL, AND IF YOU ARE STILL WONDERING HOW THE MAJORITY OF THEM BEING PERVERTS CAN BE PROVEN PLEASE REFER TO THE EARLIER ARGUMENT WHERE I SHOW THE 100 MOST POPULAR FURRIES***


CORRECTION #2:

- For some reason many people think I am saying absolutely every furry is like this. YOU ARE WRONG. I'm saying that most furries are like this ok bye

*** Quote from the first few lines of the truth: "Seriously though, you have the 10% who actually just enjoy art then the 90% who look at porn all day."
90% DOES NOT EQUAL ALL OKAY? IT'S USED TO SHOW THE MAJORITY PLEASE PAY ATTENTION, BYE BYE.



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BUT BEFORE YOU GO, SEE HOW EVEN FURRIES AGREE WITH ME. (these are only but a few of the ones who agreed, I'm trying to find the posts that best sum up important shit though.


1 - Heres a review by a furry fan and ex-hater of reason who also dared to argue against me on this solid opinion until he actually read the thing (he was arguing against me without even knowing what he was arguing about):

"hold up... woah. (note to self: REaD DESCRIPTIONS aT aLL COSTS!!!!) i cant fucking beleav im saying this but i acually agree to 85% (aproximately) of whats writen in the description. as much as moast of it pisses me off, it makes sence. EPICLY HaRD FaIL ON MY PaRT! this may not change the fact that i like furries but it sertainly changed my view on the matter" - Sonic-Fan84062



2 - "I'm a furry hentai artist and a good debater... Sadly, I agreed with all you said. You showed the evidence, and brought your point home. I can't even argue and if I did, I wouldn't even know where to start. I don't understand why these furries in the comments section are raging so much. If they were mature enough, they'd fuckin' admit that you're right (and don't worry I can tell when a person's right or not in any given circumstance and you, my sir...).

Furries, I'm not bashing or anything like that. But just stop hiding your goddamn boner like you're cock-blocking yourself and just admit it! At most times, you guys say you aren't into this shit and I find that you actually are..." - NikeMike34



3 - "About the furaffinty, I had a few furries telling me that I should join there due to my animmal characters until others told me that I shouldn't. Why? They told me that back then, it used to be a good, decent furry art site but it's being overrun of furrytards and furry porn. If you dare to say anything against furry porn, you'll get flamed for it. If your pointing out for hypocrisy, you'll get flamed for it. If you make a parody art of the furry fandom(poking fun at it since it's fun to laugh at your own fandom), they flamed you for it.

Not to mention that my characters would get shoved aside if they're not porn since mine is kid friendly and wouldn't give my art a second look. I've seen some really good furry art that isn't porn but they too get shoved aside because no one is 'fapping' to it. >(

It gotten so bad that a lot of sane furry artists left the site to come here or make their own website since they were so sick and tired of those tards ruing the fandom. One sane furry artist even got banned from Furaffinty for making a parody art of the fandom because the tards have no sense of humor. That's bullshit. So I never registered there.

It's so funny that the furrytards claimed that that 'they're the nicest people in the world and treats others kindly' yet they can't take a joke or if no one is kissing their asses or isn't flaunting 'furry pride' or doesn't support furry porn. I get attacked by those tards just for not agreeing with them and I'm a furry! So much for 'furry love'." - Furry that chose to remain anonymous so other furries didn't attack him/her about it.

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o yea now that we're in lategame I can finally reveal that the purpose of this deviation was to show that the perverse nature of furry fandom cannot be ignored as the furries would so usually wish.  You bring up any of that stuff they try to TAKE YA DOWN and blot out the facts but everythings got its perverts and so do u guys u feel me so u gotta accept that and understand when someone doesn't wanna get in on your furry action they got their reason u feel me they aint gotta accept you u no so dont flame u feel me u feel me not every1 wants to be associated wit that u feel me dont hate u no wat i mean
really i don't care if you're fappin why would I care if you're fappin, u just gotta recognize why other people are thinking what they're thinking though




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And stop drawing so many goddamn canines, I mean jesus christ HOW MANY WOLVES CAN YOU HANDLE.
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:iconkrudetoons:
krudetoons Featured By Owner 1 day ago  Hobbyist Filmographer
I was going to fav but then I read your stupid disclaimer. Stop apologizing to these sick fucks! 
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Generalflood Featured By Owner 1 hour ago
i think the disclaimer stops DA from taking it down tho
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AJ-RD Featured By Owner 4 days ago
Hi! I'm not here to be a jerk, and i'm sure not "butthurt" over this, but I would like to point out that some people who enjoy furries are in it just because they like the thought of an adorable puppy or wolf being able to talk... And walk on two legs! People have loved furries for a long time, and some TV shows were even an inspiration for young children to grow up and enjoy the idea of them—shows like Road Rovers by Warner Bros. and even that new movie that will be coming out soon called Zootopia! It depends on the type of furry-lover you meet. There are the ones who draw nothing but naked furries having sex, and then there are the ones who draw cute, fluffy ones with big, innocent eyes! The way I see it, there are two kinds of furries—sexual ones and innocent ones. Don't hate on all furry lovers... Hate on the ones that actually ARE perverts! Multiple cousins of mine absolutely LOVE the idea of talking, walking-on-two-legs animals, and they're 12 years and younger. I personally enjoy them, but oh you'll probably think i'm some 30-year-old man and whatnot, even though I only prefer the adorable furries, not the "sexy" ones.
Y'know those two sayings-
"Don't hate the player, hate the game."
And,
"Hate the sin, not the sinner."
So maybe if we all took that into mind, it'd be better.
Remember—not all furries are perverts, some are innocent people who do nothing that makes them deserve this sort of hate.
Thanks for taking this comment into consideration—or even just reading it.
Ciao! :)
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n0-username Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
actually only a small minority of furries r into bestiality. It majority of them simply just like the idea of having a fuzzy alter ego.
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TheFurryBrownWolf Featured By Owner 3 days ago  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
Almost none are, bestiality is something else than animated anthropomorphic characters.
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MrAwesome42 Featured By Owner 3 days ago
n0-username is stalking rape victims on DA and demanding that they send the video of their rape to him. He's harassed one girl for weeks and sent his claim that she and all other rape victims are liars to over 90 DA groups. If I were you, I'd stay away from that mess.
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n0-username Featured By Owner 3 days ago  Hobbyist General Artist
yeah, but this thing is stating that ALL furries r into bestiality. Which isn't true.
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Briannabater Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Professional Photographer
Stop making posts attacking me simply because I'm a victim of rape.

Stop sending threats. 
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MarvinTheMartian65 Featured By Owner 5 days ago  Hobbyist Filmographer

The Way the Wolf Howls

Steve loves online gaming.  Almost every day when he comes home from school, and especially on the weekends, he will log on to Steam.

Having just started in a new high school some distance from his home, Steve was finding it really difficult to make friends.  He was being regularly bullied and having trouble keeping up with the work in his accelerated classes.

He began to play online games more and more and made contact with others who shared his passion for online games.  As part of his gaming, Steve would often engage in private conversations with other players through Steam’s in game chat facilities, discussing game cheats, MODs, and strategies, or any topic of interest.  It was a way to escape stress that emanated from school and family life.

Steve’s parents became increasingly concerned that he was neglecting his homework, and their nagging (of him being online and on the Internet all the time) became the language of their relationship, further deepening his sense of isolation to a level where Steve started feeling depressed and unloved by his parents.

Online, Steve got to know Kevin, who seemed almost as obsessed with online gaming as he was.  Kevin lived in a different city but Steve had finally found someone who seemed to understand and listen to him, and they became good mates.

Steve and Kevin began to meet in private chat-rooms, and Steve disclosed how sad, depressed and alone he felt.  He enjoyed the contact and his mood lifted now that he could ‘talk’ to someone who truly understood how he was feeling, and respected how he felt (quite negative) about his parents, school, and the bullying behavior of his peers.  Steve was more in touch with his female side than most other boys of his age, and he often considered the possibility of being gay.

After a while Steve and Kevin exchanged email addresses, and mobile phone numbers, and their discussions started becoming more and more personal.

Of course Steve’s parents started to become really worried and disconnected Steve from the Internet.  Steve could still text-message Kevin till late at night in the privacy of his bedroom.  Kevin started asking Steve some very personal questions, but Steve didn’t feel uncomfortable, rationalizing that they had become very good friends.

When school holidays started Kevin suggested that they meet.  Kevin told Steve that he had asked his mum if Steve could stay over and that she’d not only agreed but offered to buy the plane ticket.  Steve thought Kevin’s parents must be really cool, especially compared to his parents who would only argue with him and didn’t even know how a mobile phone or the Internet worked.  Steve’s parents were so from yesterday!  Steve packed an overnight bag and went to the airport without telling his parents.

When he arrived at the other end of the airport, Kevin texted him that they should meet at a particular hotel instead.  Steve didn’t think it strange, but he never made it to the hotel – he was intercepted by the police.

Steve’s parents had worked out what had happened and alerted the police.  It turned out that Steve’s ’15-year-old’ friend was actually a 35-year old man who tried grooming Steve into a pedophile sex-cult using computer games, cute drawings, hugs-and-kisses, and lots of very smooth manipulative language as bait.  The problem with people like Kevin is that they are masters of disguise (hiding in a fur-suit makes it even easier), and know exactly how to apply the common knowledge of “a wolf in sheep’s clothing” to young and vulnerable children.

Looking back, Steve now realizes that he should never have assumed that Kevin was who he said he was and that he should have been more careful about how much personal information he told Kevin about himself.  He’d been angry about so many things in his life, he really didn’t stop to think about the sort of questions he was being asked and why someone might show interest in him.

If you consider yourself a ‘furry’ then ask yourself to what degree you have been constructing your furry mindset without the ‘support’ from people like Kevin.  Most likely you’ve been played with, by the Kevin-s of this world, for quite some time, but you wouldn’t be reading this article if your gut instinct wasn’t screaming at you that the fur-fandom is not what it seems.

REALIZE THAT THE “STORY” ABOVE IS EXACTLY HOW THE FUR-FANDOM CULT AND ITS PEDOPHILE MEMBERS GET A HOLD OF, AND A HOLD ON, YOUNG CHILDREN.  THESE CULT PERVERTS HAVE ZERO SHAME, WILL HAVE NO REGRETS, AND WILL NOT HOLD BACK TO DO ANYTHING AS LONG AS THEY CAN GET THEIR FILTHY PEDOPHILE HANDS ON YOUR CHILDREN.

Adopted from Real Wired Child by Michael Carr-Gregg (Penguin Books, 2007) – A MUST READ FOR ALL PARENTS.
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LadyBelva Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
What about everyone is pervert about something? lol
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Gansumoka Featured By Owner Jan 31, 2016
It's nice to see so many butthurt furries denying this shit. Oh, and it's VERY nice to see some death threats to the person who made this. Wow! How loving and tolerant they are! Isn't that what the fandom is supposed to be?

Anyways, let me say this: As a furry who's favorites are 100% furry "porn" (Well, that's because I made two accounts. One SFW, and one NSFW, which is this account.), I agree with this.

Yes, I know. "NOT EVERY FURRY YIFFS!" Thanks for telling me what hundreds have said to me before. Yes, not every single furry faps to furry porn, but pretty much the MAJORITY of the fandom does.

It's true. The most popular furry artists (Wolfy-Nail, Zaush (eww), jasonafex, narse, scappo, Strype, onta, etc.) are artists who draw furry porn. I'm talking artists that has MORE THAN 25,000+ watchers.

Go to the front page of E621, which is the largest furry image booru in the Internet. Guess how many images (artworks, I mean) they have? By the time I am typing this (January 31, 2016), E621 has 779,412 posts, and that number is growing quickly. The majority of them? Furry. Fucking. Porn. And no, that's NOT the number of EVERY SINGLE furry porn artwork that exists in the Internet. There are SFW artwork in E621, but no one really cares about them. Grab one NSFW image and one SFW image, compare them, and you will see the difference.

Also, I like how you mention Dragoneer, and him trying to cover up shit. Fuck Dragoneer. What an untrustworthy person. Especially that IMVU event, and the recent drama which led to the FurAffinity Forums being burnt to ashes.
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pinkiepiebennett Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2016  Hobbyist Artisan Crafter
My friend is a furry and definitely is NOT a perve! There will always be those in a fandom who choose to put boobs and big buts on it to make it more appealing for them selfs. I personally find it offensive to me and my friend that you would state this as a FACT because it is not true for all furries! I've become curious about the fandom lately and will gladly defend them, and if you want to say I'm a jerk or something then go right ahead! I'm never on deviantart any way! Furry haterz 
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Iamsmiledog Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
Actually only 27% are. So no its not a majority, small number. It's a scientific fact.
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Edited Jan 23, 2016
There's only one fact that can be inferred from your line of text: you cannot spell.  Anyone with even the smallest aptitude for science would know that mentioning a reference would be vital when mentioning numbers like 27%, and even then it's (note the spelling) not guaranteed that the research comes from a reliable, properly critiqued, source.  

Why are you people so incredibly stupid?  

Oh, I know the answer, you're in a doggy porn cult, better known as the furfandom, and believe that watching doggies hump each other is more useful than actually reading a real book.  Go and jerk off some furry pedophiles, I'm sure they'll reward you with some of their highly biased 'scientific facts'.
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Iamsmiledog Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
Screw off. You want to see the evidence that you're empty head can't handle? Look up the video "Why do furries exist?" But I admit my mistakes unlike fucking mistakes like you, 38% of the fandom are sexually attracted to furries.

But I know you won't look it up, because you are afraid of being proved wrong. Go out and get some sunshine kid, and talk to people. Seems like you need it.
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Jan 25, 2016
Go and yiff some of your perverted porn-addicted pedophile furry buddies - I'm sure they'll reward you well.  After all that's what this sick porn cult is all about.
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WoundedWallaby Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
Alright heres some shit to think about.

1. Please. Go ask a bunch of furrys "Do you like furry porn?" Please do it

2. DO YOU KNOW HOW MUCH PORN US HUMANS HAVE!! I mean were not making posts on how fusked up humans are, so why furs.

3. Be glad we arent yiffing in real life (there are a few perverted people that do its gross)

4. OH NO! One is a pedo! Well there are tons of pedos in the real world. 

5. Theres a mature filter on furaffinity. So go on google images and look up almost anything. Theres gonna be porn. I look up ancient Egyptian for school, holy shit boobs everywhere.


6. There are furs that *gasp* ARENT FAGS! Is like saying all football fans are pervs.

Alright thanks for reading (if you do) but i do partially agree with you bout the shit ton of porn.
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2016
Is spelling and proper capitalization really that difficult?  Another cult member who thinks he knows it all, and has seen it all.

I guess it's easier for the furfandom doggy porn-cult to prey on the somewhat less literate, and less intelligent, as it makes it a lot easier to enforce their perverted ideology on them.

Also you may want to address the logic of your sixth statement, as right now it demonstrates the spaghetti thinking of your mind.  It looks like the mind of someone between 10 and 14 years of age.  

You have a long way to go, I hope for your sake that you don't get too wound up in this doggy porn-cult.

I honestly feel sorry for you.
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WoundedWallaby Featured By Owner Jan 24, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
i do, cringe at the porn, but seriously like half the fandom shuns those dog porn people. And my 6th point stands strong. Not all are pervs. I met a few before i was a furry and they were amazing people. Honestly how can your say be noticed if your not even in the fandom, then you don't know what really goes on. Your probably some person with a one-track mind that believes everything on the internet and read some article that was just like "FURRIEZ R PORNY POOPS". But the porn is gross.
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Edited Jan 25, 2016
There are furs that *gasp* ARENT FAGS! Is like saying all football fans are pervs.

So basically you are saying:

Some A are not B     ==     All C are D        

Your logic escapes me, but so does the existence of the furfandom doggy-porn cult.
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WoundedWallaby Featured By Owner Jan 29, 2016  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
Ok that didn't even make sense. I'm saying that you are blaming an entire fandom for being porn obsessed wannabees (there are a few thousand furries). What i tried to explain is that your the equivalent of someone saying everyone that likes Supernatural are fags. You know that's not true, and i hate porn. So by saying all furries are porn obsessed is a false, dumb, statement. Plus look how much human porn is on the internet and go bash on the entire internet. 
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Jan 22, 2016
Just a note relating to the 'discussion' below between Suck-whatever (I wonder what this names actually tells about the individual) and myself.

If anyone just shoves aside academic research coming from the APA (American Psychological Association) then the individual - to my standards - is delusional.  Suck-whatever seems to live in a cult-driven fantasy bubble and is most likely overestimating his/her intelligence.  Likely a troubled childhood, and having a form of attention deficit disorder (ADD).  So stop using the terminology intelligent, unless you can academically contest the results of the APA - which I don't think Suck-whatever has the actual intelligence for.  I should have stuck to my own guns : never start a discussion with a cult member!  It's like the Jehovah Witnesses, once they have their foot in the door - they just never seem to give up.  

There's only one appropriate term for this: brain-fucked.

So, yes, I'll keep on fighting the furfandom porn cult for the next 75 years, as I don't want to be another person sitting on the fence letting these perverted fuckheads mess around with young vulnerable children.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 20, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
I think it's time for cooler heads to prevail on both sides of this.

General Flood, you do present compelling arguments and with a few exceptions, your citations are sound.

However, lack of a compelling argument from the opposite side does not mean the absolution of your own.

I'll spare you my personal history with the fandom. Suffice to say, I am a casual furry. You can get a decent insight into my mindset here: www.askpapabear.com/letters/sp… in a letter I sent to an online advice column.

I am Christian, furry, Sufi, Reiki and a fan of sci-fi and fantasy alike.

But these are not things that *define* me. Only facets.

To furries who base their entire identity off of their furrism, I have the same pity for them that I do for Trekkies, whose identity is based solely on their fandom, militant atheists, whose identity is based off hating religion and religious fundamentalists who haven't identity outside of worship.

I would like to add however, that with some vocal exceptions, the furry sub-culture is exceedingly welcoming and more often than not, friendly in nature.

I am a writer and have created a story that has anthros in it, but it's not limited to them. There are humans and other fantastical creatures. zucca-xerfantes.deviantart.com…

However, I need to, in the interest of intellectual honesty, admit to my own perversion, but attach a HUGE caveat.

I am an inflation fetishist. Not the personal, real-life sort that can injure or kill you, but the purely fantastical variety. However, this perversion is not limited to furry females. I find it equally appealing in human females as well. I am a pervert in that sense, but I am not perverted because I'm a furry. And I would argue that the same is true of the majority of the sub-culture.

Now that you know of my personal inclinations and hopefully have an idea of my level-headedness, let's begin...

I would contend that the basis of your argument, namely the *ratio*, is erroneous in spirit.

90%, you say, is the only thing you have no citation for. That is an assertion.

There is no denying that there are perverts within the Furry Fandom. Though if anyone, like myself, has stumbled onto a porn site in the earlier days of the internet can remember, pulsating and animated ads displaying *underage* human cartoon characters in intercourse prove that perversion is not at all limited to the Furry Sub-Culture.

Does this mean 90% of internet goers are perverted? Of course not.

Does that mean that there is a deeply perverted presence? Indeed.

Now what I'm about to say, I can't say I particularly like, because it is a truth I wish was not so...

Those in the furry fandom who draw underage characters in sexual acts have a perversion. There's no disputing that.

However...

As loathe as I am to admit it, there is a colossal difference between photographs of naked children (Like the sort that Russian bot programs post in a spam flurry on websites such as 4Chan) are DIRECTLY harmful to children, whereas illustrations of fictional, underage characters, harm no one. They are disgusting, yes. They are perverted, yes. They are unsettling, yes.

But they are harmless.

And this is coming from someone who has had TWO members of my family raped by pedophiles. I am of the un-ironinc, un-sarcastic, dead-serious opinion that child rape should be punishable by bladed castration (Not the painless chemical variety), be given a tattoo in big, black, block letters on their forehead that identifies their crime and that the rapist should be expected to make reparations to the family by using child support-style payments, essentially legally enslaving them so that the affected family can afford the counseling required to heal the wounds the fucker inflicted. Furthermore, a life insurance policy should be taken out on him or her so that if he or she tries to take the coward's way out, his or her mortality will have a price-tag attached that will go to the affected family.

As angry as it makes me, as hateful as I am towards them, I must keep my emotions in check and think logically.

Non-rapist pedophiles I have nothing but sympathy for. They have an impulse that is beyond their control and the majority of them are so ashamed of it that they suppress it and stress themselves into an early grave or they bust from pressure and take that final plunge. They rarely seek counseling for it even if they can afford it, out of self-loathing and shame. And a horribly sad fact is that many pedophiles are victims of pedophilia themselves.

Pedophiles that happen to be furry and who have not engaged in actual child-rape cope with their impulse and keep it in check by using artwork that is of fictional characters who cannot be harmed by them. It keeps their impulse satisfied and helps them cope with the vile impulse that they cannot otherwise help. It is the same token by which I watch inflation artwork even though I don't practice body inflation or even suit inflation.

Let me state here however, in no uncertain terms, that I have ZERO tolerance for those, furry or otherwise, who take that final plunge and rape a child. We *ALL* have impulses we deal with in one way or another, but when you act on those impulses, you act as an animal does, and not a person.

The Furry sub-culture is famed for its tolerance and I would contend that those who know or had friends with pedophile furries and understood that the artwork helped keep the foul impulse in check and with its removal, that is no longer an option.

I contend that the outcry and outrage was in response to people who have this impulse losing something that helped keep it in check due to the inherently tolerant and accepting nature of the Furry sub-culture and not because they were rooting for the perversion itself.

Furthermore, the fact remains that the majority of the Furry sub-culture is *against* the cub art, indicating their hearts are definitely in the right place.

Moving on, and now feeling like I have to shower after that...

I would appreciate citation on the notion that Furries, as a matter of course, support the more raunchy side of the sub-culture. There are numerous instances of perfectly clean artwork and even the perverted and the porn-artists have a solid moral compass. If you can prove to me otherwise, I will drop the contention, but something I am loathe of is speaking in such broad strokes, which is what piqued my interest in this in the first place.

There's more I could bring, but I think this is a decent opener. Seriously though, I need a shower after all the pedo talk >_<

The summary of what I'm trying to say here is that while you'll get no argument out of me that there are perverts among the Furry sub-culture and I won't even argue the statistical majority, since the numbers don't lie, I WILL argue however the 90% fallacy and the implication that sexual perversion explored in a harmless manner in fantastical online settings is not an indicator of whether or not someone is a good person.

Let people's *actions* speak to their character, regardless of the flag they fly.

Can perversion in harmless, online settings lead to perverse action in real life? Let me answer your question with a question... Do video games lead to sexism and/or violence?
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Edited Jan 21, 2016
Playing violent games does lead to increased aggressive behavior, so that also answers your question "Can perversion in harmless, online settings lead to perverse action in real life?":

www.apa.org/news/press/release…

Any form of fetishism is categorized as abnormal psychology, and the question can be raised if people with abnormal psychologies should be interacting with curious young children that access the Internet:

psychcentral.com/disorders/fet…

Sympathizing with pedophiles that do not rape children is the most ludicrous statement I have ever heard anyone make:

neuroanthropology.net/2010/05/…

Pedophilia is not exclusively linked to raping children - it's linked to sexual arousal and control of younger people.  So when a pedophile rapes a child it's bad, but when a pedophile completely brainwashes a child with canine-based pornographic images and solicits the child to start sending pictures of his/her genitalia and worse, then all of a sudden it's okay?  Tolerating pedophiles into any fandom is extremely dangerous, as these creeps will do anything to disturb normal family relationships to get control over the child.

Also, what the heck is the term furryism all about, are we all of a sudden elevating this canine porn cult to some type of religion?

And 'yes' the furfandom is full of story-tellers, that makes this cult so dangerous, as stories and pictures are exactly the tools to get into the minds of young people.  Whether it's a story of the Prophet Mohammed (kids will blow themselves to smithereens) or a story of unconditional tolerance towards people with mental sicknesses (kids will start to provide quickies to pedophiles) - stories are what makes cults and religions tick.  The question becomes when this ticking bomb will explode!

Also: "Let people's *actions* speak to their character, regardless of the flag they fly." - tell that to those that were killed by people flying the ISIL flag.  Another one of your fantastic harmless fandoms/cults with great people in it!

So, "intellectual honesty" my ass!
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Did you.... actually *read* the link that you sent or were you just looking for headlines?

Further, there's a huge difference between violent thoughts and actually BEING violent. Nationwide trends in physical violence are on the decline.

As for the nature of fetishism, no argument here that fetishes are not normal. But if what you are suggesting is true, then *any* fetish needs to be stopped due to the theoretical harm it could do. Let's start with the more common ones, like schoolgirl fantasies since there are clear ties to pedophilia.

The third link you provided has convinced me you haven't actually read them at all and that your post is excessively shallow.

The link agrees with my position that pedophiles require treatment to keep them from abusing children and that on average they too were pedophilia victims. The wretched people need therapy, not branding. I don't think they should be anywhere near children (Including interactions online) so as to prevent the temptation, but those that have no actually done anything shouldn't be intimidated away from treatment. Further, I'll appreciate it if you stop the typical SJW style debate tactic of 'all-or-nothing'. You know what you're doing, so stop it. To those reading this debate, I refer of course to their manner of throwing someone off-guard. If you say 'I like puppies!' then they will get in your face and say 'AHA! So what you're saying is you HATE kittens!'

I classify sending genital pictures of underaged people as abuse, fella. Along with any other sort of sexual interaction, even if it's restricted to the internet. But as I said, if they are cranking off to an *illustration*, then no child has actually been harmed. If they cross that line though, then all bets are off and they have to go to prison.

You're also either becoming over-emotional or are otherwise not thinking rationally. You are equating people who dress like animals and tell stories to eachother to people who murder because of differences.

Tell me... when's the last time you saw a guy in a fursuit throw a homosexual off of a building?

You've demonstrated negligible intellectual honesty in this discussion, from failure to read the links you've provided to extremist throwbacks, so I do not expect you to understand what that means.

The things you are suggesting require either that children and teens are restrained from exploring their minds and preferences and the world around them (Which I'm in favor of as long as it has parental or guardian supervision) or you are suggesting the complete upheaval of freedom of expression.

If you haven't read any of George Orwell's works, I suggest you begin with Animal Farm. Oh, wait, you might think I'm recommending it due to being a casual furry... Go for 1984 then.
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016
Nope, I don't understand anything.  The only thing I do understand is that I'm communicating with a mentally troubled person who likes to bend reality to his own standards.  As such communicating with a psychopath is useless.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
Ah yes, the other rule from the SJW/Liberals' debating playbook.

'If you find your back to the wall, accuse your opponent of racism or sexism. If you are not readily aware of their gender or race, simply de-humanize them and call them crazy.'

We c an continue this discussion civilly or you can stamp your feet like a child and forfeit.

It truly makes no difference to me.

I believe, also, that the irony is lost on you, that you are accusing me of psychopathy when it is you who are de-humanizing and calling for totalitarian control over freedom of expression.
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ghostraptor1917 Featured By Owner 4 days ago  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
Don't argue with him. He thinks the furry fandom is a cult when in reality it's not
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner 4 days ago  Hobbyist Writer
It's a fandom, sub-culture and wide group. But a cult requires structure, central leadership and money. Lots and lots of money.
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ghostraptor1917 Featured By Owner 4 days ago  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
Yep
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016
Whatever you say, but I'm not the one that has a mental disorder, I'm not the one sympathizing with doggy-porn-distributing pedophiles, and I'm not a 40 year old guy who hides his identity behind a cartoon character so he can bombard young children with his canine bestiality.  I honestly think you'll try to find any excuse so you can right-talk your own perverted behavior and right-talk your mental issues.  You've been fully conFURted already and anything I say will be counter-criticized.  Go and read a real book, not a book that's about doggies fucking each other in every way imaginable.  The problem with cult-members is that they are indeed indifferent to anything but their cult.

That's it - I'm off - no more responses from me.
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Zucca-Xerfantes Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016  Hobbyist Writer
98% of the books, games and movies I read, play and watch are about humans. (Or elves, dwarves, Vulcans and such...)

And you're damned straight I sympathize with pedophiles (Until they cross that line, and then I want their reproductive organs on a pike) because they have an impulse that they can't help outside of extensive therapy to re-orient their sexuality to something better.

You seem more to be the unyielding one who can't be bothered to read their citation or try to understand the other side. You've lumped me in with the real creepsters and nutcases when I'm trying to meet you halfway.

If you can find citation that actually *supports* your position, then I invite it! ^_^

But you're exhibiting clearly erratic and over-emotional behavior.
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ghostraptor1917 Featured By Owner 4 days ago  New Deviant Hobbyist Digital Artist
BURNED!!
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ZillDrake42 Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016  Student General Artist
You are wrong.
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PrincessAshleyX Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Last time i'm commenting here, I can't believe the shitstream of lunatics that are flooding this journal. If your reading this, please hear my call. To the people being harassed by these assholes, Don't respond to them, they have personal agendas. they want to break you down because they can get nothing better out of life than disturbing other people who have done no wrong to them.

If you no somebody who has committed a sex crime over the internet, you have every right to report that, but don't believe this developing propaganda about people in subcultures, its all a plot to make people hate others, Nazi Germany all over again.

they want you dead because your not one of them, don't stand for it though. stand against it and speak up for yourself, but if you can afford to do so, don't give them what they want. and refrain from responding.

Thanks for reading, and there is hope in the world for all of us, but its not here in the midst of hate, its learning to develop as a society without the wrong type of people interfering with us, and that refers to both sides of this argument.
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Jan 21, 2016
Yes, people hated the Nazis, and people also hate well organized pedophile-cults where its members are running around in fur-suits humping, yiffing, bribing and manipulating young children at any opportunity they can find.  

You can run, but you cannot hide forever!

And indeed there's hope, but not for a bunch of canine-porn addicted lunatics.  You're mentally sick and worst of all, you damn well know it!
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AjayRulezzz Featured By Owner Jan 17, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
You hate furries?
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016
Cults thrive on hate!  It's what makes them tick and strengthens the bond between cult 'managers' and cult 'members', and further separates cult 'members' from real family and friends.  The furfandom cult 'managers' are 100% aware of this and will do nothing to stop the hate from flowing.  It's an easy way for the babyfurs (basically pedophiles hiding in fursuits) to get closer to their prey.

Showing hate is wrong - exposing the truth is right.  Unfortunately the truth often gets confused with hate, especially in the eyes of converted cult 'members'.  I don't think Generalflood hates the furries, but the amount of responses posted here shows that there's something very wrong with the furfandom used as a vessel (cult) for people with the wrong intentions.
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AJ-RD Featured By Owner 4 days ago
Perhaps the "cult 'managers' " do nothing to stop the flow of hate toward this fandom... But many of the "cult 'members' " do wish to stop this hate. Furries like me, for instance. I jump at any chance I get to defend what I love, and this is certainly no exception.
Another thing—cults and fandom's are two different things, dear, and just because you do not believe in or respect a fandom does not mean they are "cults". Hate on (or, should I say, "expose the truth to") all the pedophiles you wish to, but leave the innocent furries alone.
And I'm directing this toward all furry-haters who think we are perverts.
I wouldn't want to ever think of a child or something as "arousing", and I certainly wouldn't want to lure them into traps so I could rape them.
I'm a straight-A high school student and I've no intention on ruining my life in such a manner.

So good day to you, and I do so hope you read this comment with nothing less than a pleased look on your face—after all, I AM proving that there are sane people in this fandom.
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AjayRulezzz Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016  Hobbyist Traditional Artist
Furries don't do cults and it's only a matter of opinion.
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PrincessAshleyX Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016  Hobbyist Digital Artist
STOP GENERALISING

You so called ''Truthers'' and every other christian conspiracy theorist movement on the internet thrive of the adrenaline rush you get from spouting your nonsense and frightening people, YOU need to stop interfering with other people's lives and focus on your own, if every furry or whatever they think of themselves as was a threat to humanity, I think it would be more of a public knowledge thing. Know what I mean?

I'm not thriving of anything. I enjoy walks in the country and don't spend my life behind a computer screen, I may not be everyone but this generation needs guidance. and what they need to refresh their souls are not people like you with your conspiracy theory shit. I may die a lonely 90 year old, but I have devoted my life to people who need my help, and I won't leave those people, I'll protect them from lunatics like you for as long as I have to.

I work to protect abused people of all ages. I have met children abused at the hands of people like you, I'm not saying your psychically abusive towards children, but your ideology is a dangerous one to children. 
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Jan 18, 2016
Talking to the conFURted

Mmmm.. some people have literally no idea what they're talking about and will say anything to protect their precious doggy sex cult.  As I guessed, a fully brainwashed and very dedicated cult evangelist.  This has nothing to do with religion, but everything to do with 35 year old guys dressing up like dogs intoxicating, pissing over, filming and butt-fucking 12 year old boys and rewarding these poor kids with trips to furry conventions for their services provided.  The people in this cult are sick, I mean, really sick, but of course talking to a fully confurted (there's a pun if ever I could find one) cult member is pointless and a waste of my time.  Stay confused and caught in your own reality bubble... it doesn't bother me, but I will keep warning people for the next 75 years.  The furfandom is a full fledged porn cult, it has nothing to do with a fandom.
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n0-username Featured By Owner Edited Jan 17, 2016  Hobbyist General Artist
r u 4 real? 
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Graeystone Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2016
I guess the creators of Mickey Mouse and Bugs Bunny were all perverts and pedos. . .
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EliBlaze Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2016
To my knowledge Walt Disney (creator of Mickey Mouse) and Tex Avery (creator of Bugs Bunny) have never been arrested or jailed for possessing child pornography or indecent behavior towards minors, whereas the same cannot be said for the founders of the furfandom.  Just check out the history concerning the Tuscon Mob.  It seems your cult buddies aren't as clean as you think they are.
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thepicpika234 Featured By Owner Jan 12, 2016
That makes no sense.
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Graeystone Featured By Owner Jan 15, 2016
When one thinks about it, anthromorphic creatures(Bugs, Mickey, Felix the Cat) and the idea of animals dressing as humans or vice-versa began with Bugs and Mickey. If a person is going make the claim that Furries are pedophiles then that person might as well blame the source of it all.
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